Conventional + Holistic Healthcare
Charis, a former nurse, shares her journey from working in conventional healthcare to embracing a holistic approach. She discovered her passion for nursing while caring for her grandmother with cancer and later pursued further education in nutrition therapy to address her own health challenges, leading her to help others in their healing journeys.
Charis shared the value of her background as a nurse in providing a holistic perspective to her clients and how she sees the tide shifting in the conventional medical system, recognizing the power of holistic approaches.
We talked about topics from digestion to nervous system regulation…recommending good eating habits, breathing exercises, and restorative practices like yoga and meditation. These are foundational practices that can be key to the healing journey.
Episode transcript (unedited):
Welcome back to the Holistic Health Bites podcast. Today we’re going to have an interested conversation about conventional medicine combined with holistic medicine, as well as digestion and lots of fun topics. I have a special guest today, Charis
So welcome Caris, thank you so much for joining me.
Thank you. I’m happy to be here.
Yeah, can you share a little bit about your background? I know you started in sort of the conventional model as a nurse.
So can you kind of walk us through how you became a nurse? Why? And then how did you sort of transition into more of the holistic side of things?
Sure. So I actually went straight out of high school. went to college and actually have a degree in exercise science too.
That was a long time ago. So I have that background and then I went to nursing school about eight years later.
I really, what got me into nursing is I was just really not happy doing what I was doing. I worked for a big health club chain.
And it was interesting because I was a personal trainer and I kind of gravitated towards taking care of some of our members who had like nurses.
Georgia diseases, MS, henthad strokes and things like that, they’re like, oh, Caris will take care of them. And so it’s kind of interesting when you look back on it, my grandmother had cancer, and I took her to a lot of her treatments and, you know, cared for her during that time.
She was in her 80s, so she was a lot older, but it really was that experience that kind of gave me the idea to go to nursing school.
And so I was like, I’m doing this, I’m all in, and I moved halfway across the country, I went to nursing school, from the minute I went to nursing school, I knew that that was what I was meant to do, that meant to take care of people.
It just felt very intrinsic in my core. So I did an accelerated program because I already had a bachelor’s degree and something else.
And so, you know, just did it pretty quick. I went to Creighton University. so that was an interesting moving.
I grew up in the Pacific Northwest, so I moved to the Midwest, which was a little bit of a culture shock.
So it was just a very interesting time in my life. you know, I worked as a nurse for many years.
I was an oncology nurse, took care of cancer patients. worked in bone marrow transplant initially. And it was pretty intense place to work.
But I loved that world very much, taking care of cancer patients. It really was just such a gift to not just the patient, but their family.
And as many people know who have been touched by cancer, it’s just a crazy time in some of life.
So I did that. We moved to Denver, and then I had my boys, and really that’s kind of when I took some time off work.
And I really was having my own health challenges. I had them really during my pregnancy too. Actually, I had a really big stressor.
I had a family member who had a very bad accident. It was a nice view and at Craig Hospital for a long time and that was, I think, a catalyst to a lot of things.
It wasn’t obviously the thing, but we know that stressors are hugely impactful to health and often can be kind of that trip, that trips people into, you know, where the body is kind of like screaming for help.
So I was on bed rest with both of my kids. Obviously, lots of hormonal things. gut was a mess.
So really after they were born, it was me trying to figure out what was wrong with me and a lot of my symptoms were digestive and nature.
And so I had a lot of tests, know, I was very connected. Obviously, I knew a lot of amazing doctors and people to help me, but there was nothing wrong with me.
All my tests were normal. I know you’ve heard this many times. It’s just such a common theme, you know, I just didn’t want to take that for an answer.
Now I feel miserable, my energy was terrible, had horrible digestive complaints. And so the first thing I did, actually I had a pretty good GI doc and he was like, if you stop drinking red wine and stop drinking coffee, which both sounds, it sounded terrible to do both of those things at one time, you know, you might get some relief.
And I was like, okay, took me a while to wrap my head around it and then I ended up doing it.
So I think that was kind of my initial glimpse of like, oh, withdrawing these things, which we could talk about that too, isn’t always the best way to go about things.
mean, sometimes it does help to remove stressors, but I really like to build people up to and to have support them with nutrients and different things rather than just taking everything away.
But that changed things for me. And then my dad was very sick, both my parents had towards the end of their life.
Just like really not great health. And so I was just always had that on my mind. And we were on our way home from an appointment.
And I drove by a sign, the Nutrition Therapy Institute sign, when it used to be in Denver. And I was like, I went home and googled it.
And I literally attended the info session. I’m like, I’m going to school there. And initially it was really just to heal myself.
I feel like this is a missing piece. And I need to learn more about this. And when I was in school, I just couldn’t believe my mind was blown.
How can I have so much knowledge about the body and not know any of this? And really, I reflect on that now, it was really more about the interconnectedness of the body.
But the body is not like a liver or a nervous system or a gut. The body is intimately connected in every way.
And I think that that makes it really challenging and I can see why medicine is the way that it is, you know, to compartmentalize things.
It’s really important in some ways to try and like treat do treatments the way the doctors do. But we cannot ignore all these symptoms and I think what makes things tricky sometimes is that people have different symptoms for the same problem.
It’s exacerbated in different ways. Whereas I might have bloating and you have headaches, you know, for example. And so I think that makes it tricky.
And so that’s when I really realized that like it was a huge aha moment. I was like, okay, this is makes so much sense to me.
I mean, I think if I would have redo my life and do it over again, I can see myself being like a natural path or something like that because of the way that I view things.
But, um, you know, my journey. Bernie is what it is and I’ve never give up my nursing experience and all the people that I took care of.
But it was just really my own health and then it was on a mission to support my family. And then I was just like, I have to help other people with this.
I can’t just be like, oh, it’s a thing, you know?
Yeah, I think that’s fantastic. And the fact that you were a nurse and you have that perspective of the more conventional model and hospital care and cancer of all things, you have a different perspective than someone who maybe just started out in nutrition or exercise, which you did start an exercise.
But you have that whole conventional knowledge to bring to your clients because most of us are going to interact with both sides of this.
We’re going to have to deal with conventional medicine in some ways. Accidents, injuries, surgeries that are needed, kinds of things, we’re going to need that.
There’s this whole world of things that we focus on in the holistic and functional side of things that they don’t really talk about a whole lot.
They don’t talk about real adequate nutrition very much. They don’t talk about exercise very much. They don’t talk about sleep and stress and all the sources of stress and all of these other things that play in.
so I think your background being able to kind of marry those two and talk about the pros and cons of both sides is really valuable for your clients.
Yeah, I just am so passionate. I tend to get a lot of healthcare people that come to me just because my background and people I know and friends and friends and referrals.
And I think that they appreciate that. I know that that side and that I just view things in a different way than the way that we were trained.
And I understand. mean, I really never get into doctor bashing or anything like that because that’s how docs are trained.
They’re trained to treat. I’m sure. And the way that they have learned through evidence and, you know, with pharmaceuticals and all those things, and there’s a lot of effective outcomes that happen.
But when you’re talking about, like, disease and a lot of the things that people suffer from today, that’s not what those treatments were designed for, right?
Like, really, the original medical model is to treat people from, like you said, acute illness, injury, things like that.
And so we just are medical patients. And so we have to really look at things differently. And it has changed so much.
Like, I tell people all the time, I’ve been a nurse for 20 years. And when I first became a nurse, there was an occasional patient that would say, you know, can I have acupuncture treatment during my chemo?
Or can I have, you know, my therapy dog or whatever? And it was always like, no way. like, that is not happening.
And now you go into an infusion center. It’s actually there, like, at the hospital not very long ago, and when I always go through and say hi, and I know a lot of people still don’t work there where I worked.
And there are people all, people are getting massages, acupuncture, there’s therapy dogs, there’s like, essential oils, you know, it’s all the things, and it’s so much more welcomed.
And I think, you know, if you talk to providers, most providers now, they might not know what to do with those things, but they are more open to listening.
Because we always have, you know, pharmacists are a huge aspect of an oncology team, and so everything always had to be clear, they’re pharmacy, and it was always a no.
Like, no, no, no, no, you know, because they don’t know, and there wasn’t a lot of information, and there wasn’t a lot of evidence, and the ultimate priority for the patient is safety.
And if we don’t know, then we’re going to I know, you know, you can’t take X or whatever thing you’ve been taking forever.
And those things are really changing. I think that they’re getting more training and they’re bringing experts in, herbalists and naturopaths and people who have knowledge of these compounds and they’re doing some studies.
And because they see that, you know, the quality of life that people experience is better when they can employ some of these things that are really making their health from a very well-rounded perspective.
So it’s definitely changing. think in the next 20 years, it’s only going to be even better for everyone.
Yeah, I think that’s a great perspective. And I love hearing that that’s actually changing in the hospital setting. I’m not in a hospital very often, so that’s a great thing to hear that that’s happening.
And I guess I have seen that a little bit with some family members that have had surgeries and stuff that they are being offered, dry needling or acupuncture and those kinds of things before surgeries or
I have seen it, but maybe not to the same level you have. love hearing that they’re more open to that and that it’s actually happening.
Probably there are some practitioners who are even recommending it now. Aren’t just saying okay to it if somebody else asks, but they’re actually recommending it now.
I think that’s so valuable because sometimes the patients don’t know that those things are possible. Sometimes the doctors don’t know those things are possible.
more we can just get people to ask the questions and, further studies and share their experiences, then the faster that movement will happen and we can really marry those two together.
I think that’s really valuable. Yes, it is. It’s pretty incredible to see the change.
So now you focus a lot more on kind of wellness since that was such a big piece for you.
So tell us a little bit about, you know, it doesn’t have to be your personal story, but just maybe some of the things that you’re seeing in where people go wrong with.
That digestion, you know, does it always show up as digestive symptoms or how would you know if it’s a digestive issue?
That’s such a great question. So now with my practice, I really do, like people know that I focus on digestion, so I definitely get a lot of clients with the lens of like, I have some sort of digestive issue that’s really not, you know, I don’t feel well.
But I would say that I definitely also get some people who have more like systemic symptoms, know, headaches, mood issues, depression, anxiety, skin issues are super common.
And you and I know, and many people may be listening to this, that those are all connected to the gut.
And, you know, we probably don’t have time to go into all the details on that, but I’m sure you’ve done other episodes on that, but really everything is connected to the gut.
The whole thing with digestion, I think what really helped me to focus on it is because I went through a sort of wellness and the first class just like you.
And my mind was just kind of blown from the fact, I don’t know, must have just been some sort of like a stars aligned or something because I’m in class.
It’s nothing new, like I’ve learned this before, but for whatever reason, I was like, this is it. And I had had some clients who had had, you know, good success, but maybe not exactly what be a both hoped.
And so you’re always kind of wondering like, what’s the missing link, right? And so I really kind of doubled down on the digestion and also the nervous system component of just someone’s health because I think, you know, and I think it’s tricky because people come to you and they don’t know.
They do, they’re trusting you enough to at least start talking and have a conversation and maybe wanting to be a client.
And I get it, like we have to build that trust. And so they’re not going to, most people don’t share like, oh, I’m, I have horrible stress or I’m super anxious.
They might say I have anxiety or whatever, but you don’t really get the real details until a little while in.
And so, but I use some questionnaires and some assessment to help me kind of figure that out. And I pretty much tell everybody now, there is a nervous system component to all digestive issues.
And so we have to, at the minimum, address that. And so even if we just address it from a very, you know, of bird’s eye view, that is a starting point and then we can build on it from there.
And every single time, you know, you get a little bit deeper with a client and know them a little more and things come out.
And it never, it doesn’t even surprise. I’m just like, okay, you know, like I get it. And I have some great ways that I like to refer people.
And obviously therapy, you know, and a lot of my clients are in therapy with a great therapist. I love to use hypnosis.
I have a wonderful hypnotherapist that I work with. We trade, you know, refer clients quite a bit to each other.
And she’s amazing. And she, I was a terrible sleeper for a long time because my boys were your part.
And I just didn’t sleep for years. And then it was a lot of other things. And so she really helped me with that.
So I believe very strongly in the hypnosis and the rewiring of some of those old habits and old, like, thought processes.
But I, you know, so I can’t always do all of that, but I have kind of a good, like, starting point of how I like to help people to not only like manage it, but also to.
I think I was the person that was like, oh, I’m fine. You know, I’m fine. Everything’s good. I’m kind of type A, just shove it under the carpet.
I’m not fine. Like my nervous system is kind of fried. know, I’m having trouble getting going in the morning.
I can’t make it through the day. You know, like I felt all of that. I still sometimes have those moments and I have to be aware and understand my own body and be like, okay, this is your message.
Your body is telling you to stop or slow down.
So what are some of the things that you recommend for people who, I mean, I 100% agree with you.
Everyone has a nervous system component. I mean, we’re all, we’re not even aware of how stress we are.
We’re just, we just live in a constantly stressed out state that it seems like everything is fine.
We’re not necessarily choosing to ignore it. We’re just completely oblivious to it because we’re so just in that world.
What kinds of things would you recommend for people to get a hold of that and to increase that awareness?
I think some big things. So I’m like broken record. My children are 12 and 13 and they just roll their eyes at me all the time because I’m like, chew your food.
So I believe very strongly in like the Paris sympathetic state for digestion. I can’t even tell you how many people are like, I’m so bloated.
And so I’m like, chew your food and sit down and relax at a table or a counter or something and slow down and eat your meal.
And within like two weeks, they’re like, Oh my God, I feel so much better. It’s just amazing. Right? So I think some of those foundational things are so important.
And in our society, we’re used to eating on the go or working while we’re eating our lunch or breakfast or whatever.
I used to walk around the kitchen and eat my breakfast. That was my thing. My kids are little. And so, you know, I think we have to really.
So, I’m like, where are you at now? And let’s just try and improve on that. And then, you know, the whole thing with sitting down is huge and not in front of the TV or the computer possible.
And then taking like three to five slow, deep breaths. They are doing so many studies on breathing now. It is incredible.
You can go to Google Scholar or PubMed or whatever people like to look at and just type in like breathing.
And it’s so awesome. So, they’ve really shown how to down-regulate your nervous system, your brain. Pulls those down, your breathing slows, you know, and so that’s the down regulation that we need to be able to digest our food.
So that’s really kind of like paramount. I know that UT just says people the same thing. And then I really love yoga knee dry.
So I think on the flip side of the beginning of the meal, we need to digest after the meal.
And so I think it’s little tricky sometimes because sometimes when people have blood sugar issues, they’re like, oh, I need to go for a walk or I need to, you know, be active.
To burn off that blood sugar or the excess blood sugar or whatever. And I think that that’s a fine strategy.
Like you can do both really. You could go for a short walk and then you can come back and rest.
And so this one was one of the hardest things for me. But one of the things that I found the most Thank you.
There’s so many guided ones on YouTube or I’m sure there’s a zillion apps and you’re just listening to someone kind of take you through that time where you’re breathing, focusing on just relaxing.
And it just allows your body to digest. if you’re running from the lion in a sympathetic state, your body cannot digest and extract nutrients.
Like, it is just not efficient at doing that because it doesn’t know what’s going on. It’s not going to rest and digest.
So that’s another thing. Breakfast is really hard. Like, most people can’t do that after breakfast. But lunch, I really, really try and get people to do it after lunch.
Just take 10 minutes and just chill, you know. And it’s interesting to see what happens. lot of people fall asleep, which is okay, or 10 minutes.
But you notice a difference in your energy in the afternoon too, right? your body can actually slow down and digest.
Probably one of my favorite things. You know, a lot of people have yoga practices and, you know, people are nervous.
They’re like, oh, I have to meditate for half an hour or yoga for an hour. I’m like, no, like if you like to do those kind of activities or you want to give it a try, just start with a short amount of time.
So I love yoga with Adrienne on YouTube. She’s hugely successful. And one of the things I love about her is her, but you can do like a 10 minute video.
And you can do something very simple and you can do something harder. And so just pick something that, you know, feels good to you at the end of your day to start your day, like whatever it is.
But really that awareness of like, how am I doing? How am I feeling? Is one of the most important things because then when you feel like you’re in that kind of like 10th state, you can do some of those breathing exercises and calm down.
You know, like I had a dude like behind me in the car the other day like honking his horn and all mad and it just kind of revs you up, right?
So I’m just like trained to do it now. My body’s just like, okay, like a couple deep breaths, you know?
And you can do that anytime. I taught my kids to do this. You’re in school and you’re anxious or you’re about to take a test or whatever.
No one’s paying attention to you. Like you’re not going to be the scene as weird. You’re just taking some deep breaths.
It is and it’s so simple. It’s free. It’s accessible to anyone. It’s so simple to do. And you can do it a hundred times a day if you want to.
Like there’s no limit.
You just really can’t. I mean, people think that it has to be something complex or something very strategic or whatever.
And you really cannot ignore how important the foundations are. And I would consider that a foundational. And a hundred percent.
And as practitioners. We kind of love to geek out on the complex stuff, but the reality is none of that works if you haven’t addressed the foundation.
That is an excellent point.
You can get as fancy and complicated as you want to get.
It won’t work until you do the basics. So true. will occasionally have someone come to me and they’re just very upfront and like, hey, can you just tell me what supplements today?
to lay or to get rid of my bloating? You that’s not how it works. You can take some supplements that may help you a little bit.
You might get a little bit of relief, but you’re not fixing the problem. We don’t, in holistic health, we don’t do bandage.
We’re really trying to figure out what is going on and what support does your body need so that it can heal because your body can heal itself.
It is hardwired to, for homeostasis, which just means balance, basically. And so, as you get older, you’re going to have more years of insulin.
and I’ve seen some pretty miraculous things, know. People just adding nutrients to their diet, like they feel so much better, you know.
So yeah, it really, the other thing, um, I’m really into lately. I kind of got into this with my sleep issue.
And people sometimes think I’m a little bit crazy because they’re like, I came to you from my ploating, but I really strongly believe in morning light and the whole circadian rhythm.
So really you have to view your day as like a 24-hour day and it really should you know like I get up around 5.30 usually so we’ll have 10 days at Sparkstill most times of the year but if you’re going outside as soon as it gets late and luckily we’re both in Colorado so it’s usually sunny here so some people who are not in it’s sunny with a climate just need a little bit more time go outside and you let that light get come through eyeballs.
I don’t have stare at the sun. You just don’t wear sunglasses. Don’t be open to the light. Don’t be in the shaded area.
And it is amazing how that really helps to kind of just reset that time clock in our body that’s so hardwired.
It is just, I mean, I can’t even tell you the number of people that are like, this has had a huge impact on my sleep.
On my energy, on my digestion, because, you know, it kind of just gets your body going. body is like, oh, okay, it’s morning.
It’s time to get going. And a lot of people kind of have trouble getting going in the morning. And so I just love that as like a hack.
It’s super simple. It’s easy. You can do it in your PJs. I mean, let’s be honest, you know, you got, doesn’t have to be like, get dressed and whatever.
So that’s another one of my favorite things to do.
Yeah, I love that one. And yet again, free, simple, so easy.
just walk outside for a few minutes. It’s so easy.
if you compare that with like grounding where you have bare feet, like directly on the ground, even better.
Oh, yeah. Walk out in your yard for a minute. Totally. It’s really that simple. So I love these tips.
is so valuable for just some old basic foundational things that really do move the needle. are you going to feel like amazing the first day you do it?
No. But over time, over even a short period of time, you can tremendously turn things around with these little simple hacks.
It really takes consistency. mean, I think that you know that obviously, and I think as, you know, that’s part of where our medical model is like, oh, you have high blood pressure.
You have headaches from that. Here’s a bubble of pressure pill lowers your blood pressure pretty instantly. And you might have a resolution of your headache.
So people are just kind of For that. Yeah. Yeah. And that’s what we’re used to. And so this is different.
know, what we do is, you know, really supporting the body so that it can rebalance and none of this happened overnight.
And so we really have to give ourselves time and opportunity. And if you are coming into this with the right mindset, it really is.
You can’t do it wrong. Like, and you’re a human being. So, you know, you’ve bought the wagon, you have a great routine or whatever.
And then one morning you don’t go outside. Who cares? Just tomorrow morning, go back outside. know, it’s not really that complicated.
And so I really just preach consistency. And some people like to have like a spreadsheet or they keep track of everything or like a chart on the wall or whatever.
Whatever you need to like help you feel like, wow, I’ve made a lot of progress. I went outside every day for a month or whatever.
And I feel so much better. That’s really the key. the way our, you know, human beings Hey, what are the things that we need that connection to be like, oh, okay, I’m doing this thing and it’s leading to this other thing.
Yeah, and I think I’m with you. I always talk about consistency is far greater than perfection.
Yeah, we’re not striving to be perfect.
That’s what leads you people to quit. When you like don’t do it for a couple of days because whatever happened and then you just stop doing it all together.
No, what matters is how consistently you do it. So you know if you miss a day here and there keep going, keep you in it.
It’s so true and people are always kind of surprised because I always do consults with people when we first start working together.
And so I look at everything and then I give them recommendations and I kind of prioritize it in my mind.
But I always meet them where they are because what their goals are is obviously important too, but they’re always surprised because they’re like, we, I don’t have to do all these things at one time.
I’m like, no. I think you should start with A and then maybe in a week or two, work on B, you know, like, because you are not going to be able to do all the things all at once.
you can’t do the 180 and expect it to stick. It just doesn’t work. So, you know, taking those gradual steps and being consistent is really the best way.
Yeah, and if you did jump into the deep end and try to do all the things at once, you’re adding stress.
So, not only are you not actually accomplishing anything by doing all the things at once, you actually could be making it worse.
So it’s much, much better to baby step your way in 100%. Maybe that’s a few days and you’re like, this is easy.
I could do another one. Maybe maybe you can go faster, but I’m with you. I would not add, you know, 20 things all at once.
@30:50 – Charis
That’s a recipe for failure version. Yeah. And you know, it’s just a rigor re-training. There’s a lot so many people who that’s just kind of how they’re used to it, you know.
I’m ready set go kind of thing. And I was a little bit like that too. But as soon as I got like some success not doing that, then I would like, oh, okay, this way is so much better.
It might feel a little bit slower, but in the end it’s not slower at all because you actually make a lot more progress because you’re not quitting.
I don’t believe in on the wagon, off the wagon. I just believe in the wagon. Like you’re on. Sometimes you might be a little closer to the edge, you know, or maybe if you just got back from vacation, your diet’s kind of off and you’re not feeling super awesome.
So you know what to do. You’d get back in the middle of the wagon and you’re like feeling good again.
It’s like we don’t have to fall off and start on Monday. That was always my thing. Like, oh, I’m going to start on Monday, you know, and it’s like Tuesday, you know, I’ll wait till Monday.
Just that mentality doesn’t really serve you. No, and there’s something magic about Mondays. No, that’s just a societal start of the week thing.
It has absolutely.
It’s just a brain.
Exactly. It’s just a thought error occurring in your head. A lot of us struggle with, but it’s definitely one to let go of because there’s nothing magic about starting on a Monday or the first of the month or the first day of the year or any of those things.
Just start. Just need to get to the end faster if you just start somewhere.
I love it.
Any other kind of words of or things you’d like to leave the audience in.
I would just say I feel like it’s never too late. I have a couple older ladies in their early 80s as clients.
It’s just when they came to me, it’s just so refreshing because I’m like, gosh, I want to be like that when I’m married because they’re really like, I know that I’ve been through these things and had these health issues or whatever, but I really want to improve my health and live as long as I can.
And really in the best health that I can. And so I just was so inspired by that and I think it’s never too late to like make some changes.
And if you really feel like it’s going to be a lot, like if you’re kind of the couch potato eating a Santa American diet, not sleeping great, whatever, and you feel like you want to make changes, just again, like the baby steps, you know.
And hiring someone to help you can be really impactful. I always tell people, you know, nothing of what we teach is like a secret.
You can find out really all of this information. It’s really the reason that you would use one of us as a practitioner to support your health journey is because you want someone to tell you what to do and in the most efficient way.
So that’s really kind of like what we, you know, our expertise is, is figuring out the priorities and helping people.
But if you can’t do that or you don’t want to do that, which is great. I just start just literally start walking, start googling some recipes like what if I didn’t eat McDonald’s?
would I eat? know, like start with one meal. There’s so many things that you can do and once you kind of get that confidence and get that momentum and you know feel like oh I can do this.
I tackled this issue. Let’s do another one. And that’s what happens. people there’s inspiring stories all the time. Of people really turning their health around.
Yeah, you just have to keep in mind that it’s not you’re not gonna lose 300 pounds, you know, by adding one little thing.
But you’re making progress. So don’t give up if you don’t see these like amazing life changing results with the one thing you’ve added.
Add something else and then add something else and then add something else and eventually you will get to your goal and how long that takes so much depends on, you know, what you’ve added.
How far gone your health was to begin with. There’s lots of factors, but don’t get discouraged that it takes time.
didn’t get to this condition overnight either. it takes time to do it and you’re going to get there in a much simpler, easier, and mentally less taxing way if you just go one thing and I think that’s great advice.
Yeah, I agree.
Thank you so much for sharing your medical knowledge, your cancer knowledge, your digestion knowledge, and just your passion with everyone today.
I think there’s a lot of great little nuggets in here and focus on the basics, add something, start somewhere.
All of these things are so simple and yet these are the things that really move the needle.
So thank you so much for sharing all of this today. Awesome.
Sweet. Absolutely. was a lot of fun and I’m sure everyone got a lot out of it. So thank you so much to everyone out there.
We’ll catch you again on future episodes. Sounds good.